O hardy-har-har-har. Here’s a turn up for the books (NOT!)… via Danny Sullivan at Search Engine Land
Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results
Here’s the slightly novel bit:
Bing Admits Using Customer Search Data, Says Google Pulled ‘Spy-Novelesque Stunt’
The details of the sting, which Danny Sullivan lays out, are interesting. Google artificially assigned nonsense words to unrelated search results then, searched for the ‘fake’ results (on Google) using Internet Explorer repeatedly. What d’y’know? It wasn’t long before Microsoft Bing made the same nonsensical link! Several times. Oops.
But, for the p-p-p-paranoid, THIS is the bit that gets creepy …
Google thought Microsoft’s Internet Explorer browser was part of the equation. Somehow, IE users might have been sending back data of what they were doing on Google to Bing. In particular, Google told me it suspected either the Suggested Sites feature in IE or the Bing toolbar might be doing this.
…Do Internet Explorer users know that they might be helping Bing in the way Google alleges? Technically, yes — as best I can tell. Explicitly, absolutely not.
Internet Explorer makes clear (to those who bother to read its privacy policy) that by default, it’s going to capture some of your browsing data, unless you switch certain features off. It may also gather more data if you enable some features.
Yechh!
All I can say is, if I was a Microsoft Internet Explorer user (shudder) I would have turned that setting OFF. Unlike some people, I don’t even stay logged into Google or iGoogle or Gmail … nor do I value their offer to record my web history. (In fact, drop over to google.com/dashboard some time and take a wee looksie at what they already know about YOU.)
Apple famously ran a poster campaign poking fun at Microsoft’s legendary, um,… lack of innovation with a slogan directed to Microsoft’s Redmond, Washington base:
Redmond, start your photocopiers.
That was Mac OS 10.4 Tiger. We’re currently at 10.6.6 Snow Leopard. Sigh. Don’t mention the iPhone and the iPad. (Oops.)
More cheap laughs from the same campaign here at Gizmodo.
Looks to me like Microsoft Bing is just doing business-as-usual.
How do you see it? (Craig: I already told you I was a one-eyed Apple fanboy, but seriously… what?)
Now, if both search engines can just put some energy into ridding the internet of spam pages and low-quality content MFA (rubbish) sites dressed up as ‘internet goldmines’ … please.
Search is such a huge complex beast now this does not surprise me.
But apart from Safari being the worst browser around I. Don’t think Apple play fair either, http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2007/11/12686/
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/35100/big-apple-is-watching-you
they are all as bad as each other. Apart from Disgracebook they are out on their own.
HI Craig,
“Disgracebook” [snort] nice one!
Those links are interesting but not alarming/convincing.
(1) pocket-link: Apple is watching you … Did you see they retracted/corrected the IMEI claim — NOT individual data.
I say that’s part of Apple’s effort to build a better (generic) user experience. Call me a fanboy.
(2) uneasy silence: That remote kill switch — well, isn’t that what they used to frustrate Brian J Hogan — the receiving-stolen-iphone-prototype-church-goer?
I have most definitely enabled Find my iPhone so I can remotely lock my phone or wipe my data if the phone gets stolen. Hell yes. (And I’m not p-p-p-paranoid.)
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As for Apple’s Safari web browser — well, I can see why you might say that. It has some issues. Can you suggest another Mac OS (or Windoze) browser that allows me to highlight/clip in rich text (i.e. retaining the styling) or Save/Print to PDF retaining WORKING hyperlinks embedded in the web page? Not being smart or argumentative — but those are two of the reasons I use Safari. And its speed, and AdBlock — but lately that’s ported from the Chrome version. Ha! Still, essential!
BTW I recently removed/disabled the Flash plugins and switched in a html5 extension that … so far is working really well. So, as John Gruber pointed out, things are WAY better without Flash … Like him, I kick over to Chrome (with embedded Flash Player) if I REALLY have to watch a flash movie.
I was part of the h.264 and html5 trial programmes at YouTube … (now that’s someone else who TRACKS users and what we look at … so does Amazon now that I think about it) and I think Flash is going to be a chapter in the history of the internet. Just my opinion. – P
Ha, all this tech stuff makes me sound like a geek. LOL. {{{ oops, so does that!
Well I am certainly a geek, worked in IT industry for too long
This quote
” say that’s part of Apple’s effort to build a better (generic) user experience. Call me a fanboy. ”
is exactly what the likes of Disgracebook use as their defence.
I can post more Apple snooping articles they are not hard to find.
To answer your question if I want to save a Web page funnily enough I “Save Page as” but this is poss with all browsers no I don’t know a way to capture to PDF web pages. I will do some digging.
Sure, Safari will do things other browsers will not. But there are faster browsers out there and personally I just don’t like Safari.
HTML 5 will undoubtedly be the future Flash has had its day.
However it will be around for a long while yet. Example I often cringe when I access Flash Site on I phone and it will not work.
Those sites are not rushing to convert.
re Geeks. Yup. Both of us: http://www.thepaepae.com/steve-jobs/13462/comment-page-1/#comment-5020
re telemetry back to Cupertino — hey, if it’s anonymous and app-based, who cares?
I remember a guy was found guilty of stabbing a prostitute in Fort Street a few years ago because he couldn’t adequately explain why, if he was at home minding his own business at the time of the offence, as he claimed, his cell-phone made a call using a cell-site in (ahem) Fort St just after the stabbing.
See, that’s personal data. And I’m OK with it.
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“no I don’t know a way to capture to PDF web pages.”
Built-in (i.e. standard) in the Print Dialog box on OSX. …
My point wasn’t that it’s possible to capture PDFs.,..that’s a given on a Mac … but that the PDFs generated through Safari retain the underlying formatting — the hyperlinks actually work from the PDFs. Same with rich text styling.
Highlight and copy text in Firefox/Mozilla and the text is copied to the clipboard as PLAIN TEXT.
As a journalist/archivist/hoarder of info, this can be useful.
Here’s an example of a PDF generated from Safari:
http://www.thepaepae.com/wp-uploads/2011/02/Safari-Shock-Horror-Scandal-Microsoft-COPIES-@-The-Paepae.pdf
See the hyperlinks WORK.
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Yes, I agree: Flash is the walking dead …. it just doesn’t know it yet.
Craig: your comment re Flash … “I often cringe when I access Flash Site on I phone and it will not work.”
Check this out on TUAW recently…
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/02/01/flash-friendly-skyfire-browser-for-ipad-gets-updated/
Oh Craig, you will love this… Daniel Eran Dilger
Go Daniel!
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2011/02/01/why-is-google-so-hysterically-hypocritical-about-bing-using-its-public-data/#more-4458
Yes I looked into Skyfire late last year and there was issues with the extra demand for the App, so I stood aside.
Well I guess people still do want ‘Flash’ Uncle Steve.
But you have reminded me about it.
Thanks Peter I will have to consider it again.
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