You know who. (Pic: AP)
There’s apparently a little controversy about Madonna (the singer-songwriter) feeling that Lady Gaga (the singer-songwriter) has strayed a little too close imitation with respect to Madonna’s ‘Express Yourself’ worldwide hit and Gaga’s ‘Born This Way’.
The last one of these I paid attention to was a fairly plausible Joe Satriani allegation that Cold Play had ripped him off blind been inspired by one of his songs. A side-by-side comparison (youtube) seemed pretty convincing to me, amateur as I am.
Madonna has gone one further and, apparently, to show how … similar her and Gaga’s songs are, is rehearsing a concert item combining them. Captured on shaky video, recently, and posted to youtube (below, if you care).
So. That’s background for this comment, quoted in today’s NZ Herald wherein Madonna scratches a TV ‘poisonality’ for asking a shallow question:
Madge told Newsweek that when she first heard the song, she felt it was a “redo” of Express Yourself”, and “thought it was … interesting”.
She also told ABC’s Cynthia McFadden: “When I heard it [Born This Way] on the radio … I said that sounds very familiar,” Madonna said, adding, “It felt reductive“.
When asked if “reductive” was good or bad, Madonna replied, “Look it up”.
Nice …
I don’t know about you, but I see that happening all the time.
– P
Yep, sounds reductive to me 😉 Mind you, I think LG should have picked something with a tune and content worth reducing…
You know Madonna has a point, but your right Peter it happens often and Music does have a finite boundary to making contemporary enjoyable music and there is going to be overlaps.
The other problem with this article is why do Artists only complain when the supposed copier becomes bigger than themselves. When they are small fry they don’t care in fact they encourage it, as it helps them sell more music, You know like covers.
“reductive” .. what an absolute ass full of cobblers. Both ‘artists’ are heinous youth-perverting creepy immoral slags.
Best reduction those two grubby hags could experience – is acid poured on their recordings – and being reduced to the reality of their tawdry existence-s
However – while there are gullible people who just love to cram mediocrity and sensationalism into their psyche – madonna and her co-hag will still exist.
Put them in a ring and let them both fight jaime ridge. Hags on hag as it were. A certain TV3 newsreader could referee.
You sound grumpy.
I like Madonna. And I think Gaga is a talent.
As for “heinous youth-perverting creepy immoral slags” … someone probably said that about Joan Baez and Jane Fonda — two women with more courage than most men.
As for the celebrity chick-boxing … not my area of interest, although I did cover the Fight for Life launch last year, featuring the lovely Hayley Holt …
https://twitter.com/LIVE_PAranyi/status/135830299316719616/photo/1
Chillax.
To my knowledge old son – no one ever said that about Jane Fonda or Joan Baez .. you said “probably” – im presuming you dont know either way.
No im not grumpy. Two things put me off both of these “artists” …
Madonna
Apart from watching her gyrations … i watched a doco of fly on the wall nature about her European tour. As a subset to that – she seems to want to adopt anything not nailed down.
Gaga
Watched her video where she is ‘in prison’ then let out. Enough said. “Gaga – you’ve been a bad, bad girl …”
If you like watching and hearing prize sluts performing Pete – good for you. I dont so i dont. If you get my drift.
For all those with little girls out there wanting to dress like and act like Gaga (like so many did with co-hag – Madonna) … you were warned.
We arent sheep – we arent hardwired to follow fashion – we dont slavishly imitate what we think is cool – and graphic examples have absolutely no effect on us.
Problem solved i guess …
Don’t believe the hype. (I don’t think they’re sluts in real life, Ivan.)
It’s called ‘art’ — a matter of taste. Not to yours, obviously.
And yet you’ve heard of these four women.
-P
Now pete … just how do you know its so … if it looks like shit, smells like shit – acts like shit (if such a thing is possible) and dare i say it … tastes like shit (not for the fainthearted) – maybe it is – actually – shit.
I have heard of these wimmin – joan baez and jane fonda – but not as being sluts. The other wimmin – well they are sort of acting the part.
What does the fact i’ve heard of these wimmin mean … maybe that our overcommunicated culture now caters to the latte drinking existentialist whores who now drive our headlong rush like lemmings – toward complete jaded populism and lack of attachment to commonsense and goodness as a concept.
Gaga to a kiwi fan – on the roadside … “oh sweetie – can i get a photo your titties …”
Time for a latte. Now what is the word im searching for … i know – decadence.
My reference to Jane Fonda and Joan Baez was mainly in response to the “youth-perverting” part of your diatribe — I’m sure that was an allegation chucked at them both.
Your ‘immoral slag’ etc foam isn’t worth responding to, in my opinion. Sorry.
In reality, I suspect you know nothing really of these women’s private morality — just the ‘edgy’ public image and/or manufactured hyperbole of ‘pop culture’.
The shrillness of your criticism isn’t convincing. These artists have climbed to the top of one of the most competitive games in the world, and made it. You’ve heard of them because they have succeeded.
You don’t like them? Try not to pay attention.
Decadence is ageless and immortal, methinks. Set your mind on higher things. [Col 3:2]
– P
PS: Unlike you, Ivan, I don’t lay the moral decay and imminent destruction of Western civilisation at the feet of the pop music industry.
simple answer Pete – i wasnt laying moral decay etc at the feet of the pop industry at all .. never said it – so there. you said it – not me
As to ‘higher things’ – you could aim for a bit more quality of thinking than a trite little segment of the bible – ‘collosians’ … so gauche…
Tell me – as an afterthought … the higher things of colossians – should i be buying BMW’s to guarantee my spiritual standing?? Or were you just being shallow.
And just for the record – i scan the airwaves – i have an interest in music and culture. Occasionally i find stuff that is crap. However in order to be certain of my opinion – i force myself to examine that crap.
In the same way as when my cat sicks his dinner up out in the backyard – or as is often the case …. in the hallway where i happen to be walking. its inadvertant … its accidental – but its followed up on accordingly within the context of genuine interest.
If you get my drift.
so yeah pete – i’ve heard of Gaga and Madonna.
Often against my will.
And just what the fuck does “chillax” mean. Is it a spearmint enema with a cool after-effect??
I think someone should take your Ipad off you for a while and retro you into an amish community for a year or two.
Then thou mayest be less of an ass with thy use of language and expression.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chillax
You are such a sucker for being cool and urbane Pete.
Moleskins and a 5 Series Beemer with huge maintenance bills carefully hidden by the common yuppie statement “but its a quality european vehicle” (translation – overengineered, 5 year reasonable economic first-life piece of kraut shit…)
Chillax – i rate with ‘dude’ – ‘bro’ – untold – churr – schadenfreude – ‘at the end of the day’ – reducted – ‘way cool’ – and the other items on the long list of bullshit words and statements to describe a world around us we have lost touch with.
Watch 3 news – its there by the truckload.
Like a cheapened ersatz version of culture ….
Yeah, Ivan, we’ve canvassed my pretentiousness before:
http://www.thepaepae.com/ghastly-santorums-jfk-“throw-up”-line-very-un-presidential/21749/comment-page-1/#comment-13417
You drive what you want. I happen to like the products from Bayerische Motoren Werke AG.
– P
Ja Ja Pieter – you are indeed a kultural afficionado of the teutonic dream.
Its because you are paid so much – along with your fellow media volk – that you are able to afford such costly luxuries.
During the second war – Bayerische Motoren Werke along with Daimler Benz produced the finest engines ever made – powering the BF109 and the Focke Wulf 190 (BMW Radial) – since approx the 1990’s – the German commitment to craftsmanship and quality has degenerated. Example – the nightmare of the Mercedes 190 … and on it goes.
Youre a lovely fellow pete – but you do reflect cafe society and your media background.
As we once discussed when you described $100K perannum plus as not much money … you need to look at the stats for income across Auckland in particular – the demographics are not pretty. You may also benefit from understanding the extreme privilege you have in being able to make choices – it may alter some of your extremely ‘glib’ responses.
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