Last night I read of journalist/blogger/writer Andrew Sullivan’s need to distinguish between extending his own forgiveness to those who have hurt him personally through stumbles or failures, and the role his ‘mission’ as a public writer to, effectively, hold grudges. (It’s what I refer to here at The Paepae as ‘having an attention span’.)
Sullivan quotes a reader saying (read in context here)
Forgive, Andrew. Forgive. Either that or stop talking about faith, grace, mercy, the whole shooting match. Because it seems, in this instance, you don’t get it.
To which Sullivan says…
The trouble here is the distinction between public officials and their public acts and private human beings in your actual life who fail or stumble or hurt you. I truly do try and forgive those who have done me wrong (it isn’t always easy) in the warp and woof of living. But in assessing public affairs – like, say president Bush authorizing torture or backing the Federal Marriage Amendment – it seems to me to be a different case. As a public writer, it is my job to criticize, to judge when someone’s public statements in public office are defensible or wrong. I play a role as a blogger which requires me to be much tougher and harsher than in real life – when I am dealing with public figures, public statements and public records. I have met Bill Clinton only once. I am dealing with the public, not the private, man.
As I said, it’s worth reading the discussion in context at Sullivan’s website The Dish: Clinton and forgiveness. I rate this guy very highly. He’s one of my favourite writers and thinkers alive today, who happens to be a Catholic.
I agree with Andrew Sullivan that making public criticisms — of the sort that I blunder my way through here at The Paepae — sometimes thinking out loud, working out what I think as I go — is different from (or ‘different to’) the sort of let-it-go-for-your-own-good forgiveness I seek in my personal life.
Journalists, bloggers and other public writers* have a duty to their readers to not swallow the carefully-manicured talking points, photo-ops, and spin-driven agendas of those in public power.
That’s partly why I felt uneasy about news that emerged over the weekend about a cabinet minister’s staff sanitising Wikipedia. (Whoa!) The archivist in me (and the taxpayer) is offended by that behaviour, which, Justice minister Judith Collins, through a spokeswoman, has confirmed did take place.
Holding politicians to account for their statements and actions (and those of their minions), putting new actions in context of old (e.g. keeping count of the number of dubious civil service appointment processes a cabinet minister presides over. Or those a prime minister does) isn’t being unforgiving. Doing so is fulfilling a role — an important one — just as Andrew Sullivan argues. Yeah, he’s right about that.
Avoiding animosity and ‘spiritual risk’
I forgive not to be a saint or obey a commandment. I do it because it’s my nature, and to reduce what I’ve referred to here before as ‘spiritual risk‘. (And recommend you do too.) See my comments about ‘forgive and forget’ in the post I mentioned above.
We’ve had reason here, lately, to consider the ‘Love believes all things, hopes all things, forgives all things’ and related definitions. And still we’ve found ourselves concluding that ‘You will know them by their fruit’ DEMANDS that we assess the fruit, as Graeme pointed out — not necessarily as a starting point.
Telling the truth, likewise, is hugely, strongly important. Being authentic. And sometimes that means calling a lie out for what it is. (There’s also a whole other conversation we could have about the frequently deployed gleeful use of faux outrage in order to condemn one’s political or other enemies. Let’s save that for later.)
But not hating anyone.
Personal animosity, of the sort that some people express online (or in any other medium) toward those on their ‘enemies list’ … well, that is toxic. To all concerned.
Despite my outspokenness at times, here and elsewhere, I don’t set out to collect enemies. And while I may appear to despise some arguments as shabby, venal, dishonest and crooked, I really try not to see or portray people that way, unless forced to, and even then, I try not to ‘carry’ a burden of unforgiveness.
My wife and I were part of a two-week business training course in Hawaii some time ago and were lucky enough to interact with a man who worked for years with Colonel Harland Sanders setting up and policing standards at Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise stores in the US. He told us that on his inspection tours the Colonel would personally scrutinize the premises, staff presentation, and the food prepared and served by the franchisees — but, unlike his companion, would not actually eat the food.
Now this this is hearsay, because I wasn’t there, but according to his former colleague, when he remarked on it, Colonel Sanders replied,
“That shit’ll kill you, son.”
And so will clutching unforgiveness.
Let it go.
– P
* ‘Blogger’? I quite like this thought expressed yesterday by Marco Arment in reply to a question:
| “Do you really think this had anything to do with bloggers bitching?”
In short: Absolutely. (Also, “bloggers” doesn’t really mean anything anymore: this had something to do with people writing and talking about it.) …
Woah, I pretty much recoiled when I started to read that Andrew Sullivan post!
I’m making dinner, so more thoughts later.
Bokay. When you’re ready, I’m very interested to hear your point of view.
Sometimes Andrew Sullivan makes me wince too. I rate him very highly AND disagree strongly with him at times.
Which is better than some of the alternatives, I reckon. 🙂
– P
Ok, with Andrew Sullivan, I try and give him the benefit of the doubt, I really do, because politically and religiously, we are diametrically opposed, but even then I try and keep an open mind in regards to reading his opinion given how many people regard him highly.
The problem I have with him is that he says he’s Catholic, and he’s not really. Sure, you can’t totally take the Catholic out of someone even when they have ceased being so (happened to me, so I know what that’s like), but he uses his supposed Catholicism and his public reach to try and change the perception in the public mind of what a Catholic is. Catholicism is really all or nothing, you can’t pick and choose what you will believe and what you won’t. It’s a package deal.
Disregarding Andrew Sullivan’s homosexuality, his very public campaign to redefine marriage from one man one woman to single-sex makes him a heretic. Every time I hear someone call him Catholic, I wince, because he isn’t Catholic. He’s an ex-Catholic pretending to be Catholic for political reasons.
Now to why I recoiled when I started reading his post. I started by reading your entire post and then the post of yours that you linked to on forgiveness, before having a look at the Andrew Sullivan post that triggered this post. So my mindset was all about forgiveness all that might mean. Then I look at the Sullivan post and he’s going on about not being able to forgive Clinton for DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) and HIV travel ban and DADT, and his justification being the public acts of Clinton that deserve criticism. Except it’s personal for him. Once something gets that personal, a blogger has to step back.
If I were to flip it around, Andrew Sullivan to me could be like Clinton is to him, someone who purports to be acting for my side (ie pretending to be Catholic and Conservative), all the while doing things that show he is the exact opposite. And yet I don’t feel the same way about him that he seems to about Clinton. It’s not personal in the same way. He’s just an opponent who pretends to be what he’s not. I don’t need to forgive Sullivan because I don’t feel any animosity towards him the way Sullivan feels for Clinton.
Anyway, forgiveness, as I understand it, is more than just being ok with what someone has done so it doesn’t affect you, it’s actually forgetting about what they’ve done. This is how God forgives when we Catholics go to Confession – what we confess is wiped clean and God in effect, forgets. We somehow have to do the same to others, and truly, it’s not easy. In other words to really forgive, you need to treat people as if what they’ve done to you they had never done in the first place.
[…] today, when I searched for a reference to Andrew Sullivan at a White House dinner for my reply to Lucia Maria’s comment on my post re Sullivan’s thoughts about private and public […]
Thanks for your comment, and the thought you put into expressing it. I appreciate your tone, I really do.
I’m not qualified to finger someone as a heretic, so I bow to your greater knowledge (not being sarcastic). I *do* know how unsettling in can be to observe someone claiming to be in your ‘club’ demonstrating through their words and their actions that, really, you wouldn’t count them as ‘members’…
I’ve said elsewhere that I like reading Andrew Sullivan’s Daily Dish blog. I don’t copy him slavishly as a local wannabe does but, at the risk of sounding naff, we both ‘dip into pop culture high and low’ to use his term.
I remember being *struck* by Sullivan exaltedly reporting being welcomed at the Obama White House with his partner (husband?) and finding it ‘magical’ …
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/03/about-las.html
My sense of these things, as I tried to express here http://www.thepaepae.com/david-bowies-influence-on-acceptance-of-gay-lifestyle/29562/ is that homosexual people are authentic. Who am I to condone legal and extra-legal discrimination against them? (We may disagree about this, Lucia Maria. I anticipate that we do. I do so respectfully.)
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You say:
Thanks, yes, I understand what you’re saying, and that’s great about God ‘forgetting’ … but for me (as I have tried to explain) while I absolutely eschew bitterness and unforgiveness as ‘toxic’ and a ‘spiritual risk’, I’m actually OK with people (me) being wary about others based on their track record. (The Kennedy-esque tongue-in-cheek ‘Forgive your enemies but never forget their names.’)
For instance, some of the property spruikers whose actions, statements and methods I have catalogued here, are ‘repeat offenders’. That makes a big difference to me. Those track records are a natural consequence.
In one case, because I’m not (as far as I know) one of his ‘victims’, it’s not my place to ‘forgive’ him. I’m not bitter, or fixated. But I wouldn’t and don’t recommend anyone should blindly give him another chance or take him at face-value … as if his previous activities had never happened.
Which reminds me of this rather stridently-titled post: http://www.thepaepae.com/giving-scumbags-a-second-chance/7707/
You may be right about this:
By an amazing coincidence, I’d written a post about avoiding ‘getting personal’ in March last year which focused on some discussion about right wing provocateur, culture warrior and firebrand Andrew Breitbart, … but hadn’t published it. It popped up in my drafts when I searched for that Sullivan at the White House dinner reference I cited above.
Have a read, Lucia Maria and, if so, prompted, let me know what you think: http://www.thepaepae.com/try-not-to-make-it-personal/21769/
Regards, – P
Hi Peter,
To explain further on forgiveness and forgetting, I’ll just clarify using your example of property spruikers and the like. It’s important to differentiate between levels of interaction. So, a person cheating you financially is more a business interaction, whereby it makes sense not to trust them with your money or assets again. There is a person that I have been cheated by business wise that I have forgiven, but I will never go into business with him again, and I counsel my husband who still interacts with him to be extremely cautious in his dealings with him on a business level. But personally, in how I talk to him, it’s as if it never happened. There’s no personal grudge on my part, only caution in business. Now, that’s giving an example of a person who has never apologised or even acknowledge wrong in what he did. Some one who cannot see the error of their ways has to be treated differently to a person who knows what they’ve done and is trying to do better.
Giving the benefit of the doubt to someone is also a way of forgetting, as you try to ignore everything you know about the person and look at what they are saying as if they are completely new to you. Often it doesn’t work out, unfortunately, and therefore it can get more difficult to do over time as there is a tendency to become defensive and bunker-like, knowing how someone is going to react.
I do think it can be dangerous to use “The Kennedy-esque tongue-in-cheek ‘Forgive your enemies but never forget their names.’)” way of forgiving, as it implies keeping track of what was done to you, though it can be read more benignly as well.
Funny how draft blog posts can get resurrected. 🙂 I had a read, and I’ll leave a comment once I’ve thought about it some more.
Yes, I think we’re pretty close.
For me, the ‘spiritual risk’ isn’t about information (‘forgetting’, slate wiped clean etc) … it’s not the mind, but the heart and emotions that I am keen to protect by eschewing bitterness etc, as I described.
Kennedy’s ‘never forget their names’ is kind of laconic and self-aware. I do read it as benign.
Some of those I have criticised (not saying that I’m anything special) have professed astonishment that I can be so lacerating in my comments online, yet *not* be unpleasant to them in person. It’s as if they expect me to snarl and spit, merely because I’ve found fault with some of their actions.
I don’t resile from any of my criticisms of my friends (unless I do) but that doesn’t mean I’m no longer friendly to them. I really try to be open about that. I can disagree with my friends, and they can disagree with me — it doesn’t mean we ‘hate’ each other.
The story of (by coincidence) Clinton aide (and later Obama’s) John Podestra (which I highlighted here: http://www.thepaepae.com/taking-a-direct-approach/11145/ ) said it this way:
“If you’re going to be critical of your friends I think you ought do it on the record — not behind their backs.”
I think you must be a particularly advanced soul to be able to co-exist with your husband still doing business with that person you distrust based on your experience. Good for you.
I’m with you: It’s not wrong to remember he ‘done you wrong’ … but there’s no value in being bitter and twisted about it.
Cheers, P
I view forgiveness as something really simple. I see it as something that i do for myself – rather than the person that i am forgiving – in order to take away their power to hurt me or have any kind of influence on my life.
From a personal perspective, i have seen the damage that is done by being unforgiving. I spent many years of my life refusing to forgive someone for how that person treated me when i was a child, and i have now also seen the affect that refusing to forgive has had on someone who will not forgive me for my past actions. Both situations – being the one who needs to forgive and being the one seeking forgiveness – are tough when a person is struggling with understanding the concept.
To me – forgiving does not say that the person’s actions were/are ok. It doesn’t mean that i want that person in my life again. It just means that person – and their actions – no longer have the power to hurt me, bother me, or mean anything to me. They are forgotten and the burden of anger is wiped from my mind and my heart.
The positive impact that forgiveness can have is a truly wonderful thing that i have learned over the last four years. My Dad gave me a wonderful book written by Rev. John Bevere called “The Bait of Satan – living free from the deadly trap of personal offense”…i read it at the very beginning of my recovery journey. I might go and read it again on my second to last day off before heading back to Uni. I would definitely recommend it to anyone who struggles with forgiveness.
If offense is handled correctly – we will become stronger rather than bitter…I probably could have done with picking that book up again 2 years ago.
Thanks for the thought provoking discussion Peter.
Thanks for the book recommendation, Jackie!
Yes, like you say, I see forgiveness as a self-preservation/hygiene issue.
i.e. ‘Sure, you may have hurt me, but you’re not going to make me keep hurting myself by hating you.’
Selfish, aren’t we? 🙂
– P
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