Following our protracted discussion on conservatism and liberalism (for want of better labels)— and differing levels of willingness by adherents to validate the values of ‘The Other’ … by coincidence, here’s William F Buckley on what Andrew Sullivan calls ‘the Danger of Political Dogma’. From a brilliant article What William F. Buckley Would Think of Today’s GOP…
In his later years, Buckley believed that the Republican failures in Iraq stemmed from a … tendency to engage in ideological wishful thinking instead of hard analysis. He also cautioned against the tendency of conservatives to transform the cautious insights of supply-side economics, for example, into theological certainties, and to move toward ever more narrow and rigid definitions of doctrinal acceptability.
Fanaticism and obsession, he believed, ultimately represented a surrender of individual freedom. As the high priest of the conservative movement, Buckley had latitude to advance unorthodox proposals such as the legalization of marijuana without being condemned for apostasy, but he also sought similar indulgence for other conservative thinkers.
Above all, Buckley wanted conservatism to be a responsible and effective governing philosophy. He recognized that a movement that delegitimizes its opponents as Communists and traitors is doomed to be irresponsible and ineffective. He warned against conservative triumphalism and refusal to compromise. He had been mentored by Whittaker Chambers on the need to balance the ideal with the practical, and to strive for conservative advances that inevitably would fall short of utopia. To live, Buckley reminded conservatives, is to maneuver.
I recently saw someone refer to the ‘Dead Marxists’ game, where an historical figure’s ideology and philosophy are revised and either lauded or condemned (usually with extra cheese).
It’s easy to fall into the trap of lining up our historical ducks in a row to ‘support’ whatever POV one has of the historical figure. ‘Confirmation bias’ afflicts us all, making it difficult if not impossible to elude ‘what you see depends on where you stand’.
This is assuming we’re not talking about deliberate propaganda like Oliver Stone’s JFK, which poormastery referred to recently in our discussion about Watergate/Nixon.
Then there’s this (which I don’t subscribe to);
“History is bunk”
“History is more or less bunk. It’s tradition. We don’t want tradition. We want to live in the present and the only history that is worth a tinker’s dam is the history we made today.”
— Henry Ford, Interview in Chicago Tribune, May 25th, 1916
US automobile industrialist (1863 – 1947)
Personally, I’m intuitively more with;
Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it. – George Santayana
… but interpretation can be everything including the ‘What’s it all about Alfie?’ question.
I’ve tried to learn from history, but what it often teaches is that — at best — the decision makers are imperfect people working with imperfect information. Do they know their history? Well in Winston Churchill’s case, yes, in John F Kennedy’s case, yes. Two perfect examples of imperfect people.
A lot of history is the battle of ideology and resisting the trap of dogma that Buckley describes.
Some of us are looking for a way through — perhaps a way to co-operate … Jon Stewart’s Rally image of traffic merging like a zip – “You go, then I’ll go” resonated with me.
I am willing to acknowledge other people have values that don’t necessarily align with mine, and, like so-called ‘consensual crimes’ where there’s no victim, that’s a matter of ‘ain’t nobody’s business if they do’.
I know others don’t see it that way. Especially some good friends who see society disintegrating or spiritual warfare or ‘a battle of principalities and powers’ being waged and ‘moral standards’ as the battlefield. I don’t despise that point of view, it’s legitimate. But seeking to dominate and persecute or oppress someone else or a class of people because of dogma — religious, political, racial, sexual — seems to me to be futile, wrong and dangerous.
That’s what history teaches me.
– P
Update: What can be conceived of as Buckley’s yardstick (‘Does this reduce individual freedom?’) is very useful.
“In his later years, Buckley believed that the Republican failures in Iraq stemmed from a … tendency to engage in ideological wishful thinking instead of hard analysis.”
An interesting comment.
Obviously, the liberation of Iraq was a shambles.
Nonetheless, the issue here is whether these failures were a consequence of ideological wishful thinking or hard analysis, and further, the implied argument that the latter approach to dealing with the issue was superior.
I suspect that the instituton of the so-called “hard analysis” principle would imply that Saddam and / or Sons should still be in power. The cost of removal was too high. Realpolitik at its best.
Further, I suspect that the “ideological wishful thinking” is the concept that the international community should call time on this totalitarian government. Even thought the costs of doing so were very high.
Okay.
As Mr Kennedy would say, the cost of freedom is always high. Maybe in this case, this cost wasn’t worth it? So this author favours realpolitiks instead? Fine.
Yet is the author taking the moral high ground? Is his case against intervention merely realpolitik? Is this really right and fair?
Hmmmm.
*p*
“Further, I suspect that the “ideological wishful thinking” is the concept that the international community should call time on this totalitarian government. “
While I’m sympathetic to your implicit concept: ‘Should the West have intervened to “call time” on a totalitarian government’ you have to admit the *selection process* employed to decide which particular totalitarian regime will face the global police effort is flawed.
The long-running American penchant for destabilizing regimes or assassinating (or attempting to assassinate) heads of state whom the US ‘government of the day’ disapproves of has — at best — a patchy track record. Sure, there have been some sublime choices like Hitler, but others, meh, not so much. Haile Selassie anyone? Fidel Castro? Daniel Ortega? While propping up Ferdinand Marcos? The Shah of Iran? Hosni Mubarek? Saddam Hussein the younger version? Manuel Noriega?
‘The cost of Freedom’? Is that what you say the GW Bush administration was engaged in in Iraq? Freedom? That’s arguable. I fort it wuz WMD, Kilroy.
Democracy, it seems, is OK with the US … so long as it returns the kind of government the US wants in their client states or rabid anti-Communist dictatorships.
You know, I hope, that I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but if I was, I might suggest the US invasion of Iraq while pointedly leaving other totalitarian states alone demonstrated something …
– P
Peter,
For sure, realpolitik has ruled US foreign policy since WW2 (and probably before).
Does your exxamples represent the dangers of dogma, or the dangers of realpolitik?
Somehow I suspect that the “selection process” to decide which totalitarian regimes to remove will always be sub-optimal.
Perhaps we should therefore give up, and do nothing? We could then proclaim that we now occupy the high moral ground, because consensus for action was impossible, so doing nothing is the right thing to do?
I am not even sure what the selection process Mr Bush used to decide the liberation of Iraq was justified. For sure, it was (almost inevitably) sub optimal.
Perhaps the real tragedy of the Iraq fiasco is that the supposed high moral ground has now been occupied by those who in effect say the international community should never intervene anywhere. Consensus regarding the selection process is not possible (the UN selection processes are pretty much intractable). You can always argue an alternate regime is worse than the one in question. Furthermore, realpolitik means that US, European, Chinese, Russian and other interests are unlikely to ever be in complete alignment. Stalemate ensues. Fine.
So doing nothing is the new principled position. The highest of the high moral grounds to occupy. Okay.
And yet, personally, I don’t miss Saddam and Sons.
What does it mean?
Rgds,
*p*
Good comment.
The moral high ground, in my view, is frequently not occupied by the habitually or ideologically ‘inactive’. Actions speak louder than words, of course. An exception is the conscientious objector like Archibald Baxter or his colleague Briggs whose courageous determination to refuse to be part of a military machine is the stuff of legend. (Every NZer should read, if not own, a copy of Baxter’s epic We Will Not Cease in my opinion.)
But the travesty of the slippery justifications for the US seeking ‘regime change’ in Saddam’s Iraq after tolerating and enabling his evil empire for so long and the lip service paid to drumming up a coalition of the willing with ‘sexed up’ intelligence reports and fake threats does lead me near to despair. Colin Powell’s performance theatre at the UN was ghastly.
On the subject of your very sensible analysis of target ‘selections’ and decision-making being ‘sub-optimal’, you may be interested to watch this excerpt from a 1967 discussion about the US involvement in Vietnam featuring Ronnie Reagan and Bobby Kennedy … and an excitable pair of British student questioners…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMzTcvXk1j4
Hi Peter,
I enjoyed that video.
It was great to see the old Cold War Warrior RFK in action – I have always liked him (he’s was a much better politician than his brother, in my view).
He talks about having made mistakes.
Perhaps by this he means starting the Vietnam War?
Obviously, by 1968, he thought that he and his brother had made a mistake starting the Vietnam War, but this video is from 1967. Perhaps the doubts were already creeping in?
Personally, I wouldn’t judge him / JFK too harshly for this decision. The modern trendy view that the US should have been pacifist during the Cold War, and Communism would completely collapse anyway (as it did rather spectacularly in 1989) could be seen as speculative and revisionist, because it arguably employs 20/20 hindsight regarding what was at the time future unknown events.
Or perhaps the mistakes he was referring to was the Bay of Pigs invasion? I personally believe that seemingly trying to bait the Russians into nuclear war was a much bigger scandal than say Watergate, although I know that you won’t agree with this.
The media did treat the Kennedy’s incredibly easily, to an extent which could be described as almost a conspiracy. Apparently, the entire press gallery knew many JFK scandals, but not a word of it was ever mentioned to the public. Certainly, you can see Mr Nixion’s frustration about these obvious double standards in another video you posted.
I suppose RFK made mistakes. From wikipedia, one thing that couldn’t have been his proudest moments:
“In December 1952, at the behest of his father, he was appointed by Republican Senator Joe McCarthy as assistant counsel of the U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.[3] He resigned in July 1953, but “retained a fondness for McCarthy.””
Ouch. One thing I didn’t know about RFK is that the man who shot him said he did so because RFK supported the Israelis in the Six Day War. I found this interesting merely because I do not think RFK was some kind of pacifist – which is how many sickly liberals try to portray him today.
Overall, I don’t think RFK / JFK were anti-war, although obviously in 1968 RFK decided that the Vietnam War had been a mistake. It took Mr Nixon to end it eventually…
Rgds,
*p*
I was very young – younger than my son’s age now – and I wept when Bobby Kennedy was murdered.
Poormastery, thank you for mentioning the Cold War. It is hugely relevant to any discussion about dogma. Also worth noting is that Reagan, channelling JFK’s “Ich bin ein Berliner” with his own “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall” is credited by Sarah Palin and other historical scholars with ‘winning’ the Cold War.
By the time Reagan was in the White House 1981 ‘The Domino Theory’ had been demonstrated to be more practical than theory — in Europe, not Indo-China. In that clip of RFK, he refers to the 1956 Hungarian uprising — a foreshadow of the Arab Spring of this era, except that the people’s revolution was against a foreign invader and a transparent fig-leaf puppet state. Cries to ‘the West’ to intervene and to help the Magyars fight off their cruel occupation and suppression by the Russian Soviets went unanswered. Emboldened by the West’s pacifism, the Russians rolled into Czechoslovakia, Poland … dominos. These events and others inform the world view of many when considering when and how to ‘intervene’, and it is understandable that much of the ideological ‘war effort’ of the time went into covert action and proxy battles like funding the Mujaheddin and CIA sponsored astro-turf ‘rebels’ like Reagan/Ollie North’s anti-Sandinista Contras.
Later, Soviet imperialism was bled from the cost of the arms race and from a thousand cuts in Afganistan (‘The Soviet Vietnam’ or ‘Charlie Wilson’s War’).
That arms race, pursued with such vigour by the Kennedys, Nixon, Reagan, and almost every other politician of their age, greatly benefitted private enterprise in the USA. Without the abundant taxes from a booming consumer economy to subsidize such a wealth transfer from government to private sector, the USSR, unlike the USA, struggled to keep up channelling the ‘investment’ in arms and its pseudo colonial puppet states, so its influence collapsed.
The American national debt and ludicrous percentage of GDP paid to outfits like Lockheed Martin and other arms manufacturers and members of the Military Industrial Complex (which we last discussed here:
http://www.thepaepae.com/off-the-cliff/17903/comment-page-1/#comment-10861 along with the ‘mistakes were made’ paradigm) tells a story.
My point is, there really was an imperial dragon bestriding the world in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and, if not for the words *and actions* of US politicians (of liberal and conservative persuasions) a Hitler-esque domination of large parts of the planet might have ensued. That was worth fighting against.
Some battles are worth fighting.
The trouble is, with the disappearance of the clear “adversary” some geo-political warrior-types (think: Cheney, Rumsfeld) sing their blood curdling hymns of war and have encouraged shadow-boxing … They used exaggeration and lies to prompt ill-founded military action. It seems to me these moves were designed to keep the intravenous line of taxpayer funds gushing into Halliburton and the other MIC members rather than, really, a noble battle to bring democratic ‘freedom juice’ to the planet.
Using DefCon and ‘threat level’ assessments to loosen governmental purse strings has long been a standard ploy in the armaments industry salesman’s bag of tricks … and echoed by their pet politicians preserving parochial economic benefit for their constituents.
The dogma exists, but, let me suggest, as a veil for in the words of Monty Python: Something completely different.
-P
Peter,
Agreed, there is no existential crisis now, unlike during the Cold War.
I would also agree that the military industrial complex spends far more than is healthy or helpful in the US.
Nonetheless, despite the absence of an existential crisis, I still believe foreign interventions can be justified in this day and age.
For example, a division of Marines could easily have prevented a million Rwandans being hacked to death. The UN were useless. Only the US could save the situation. Mr Clinton did nothing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
The non interventionist dogma of some can leave a rather bitter taste in the mouth…
Rgds,
*p*
There’s a wonderful section of the infamous JFK-Nixon TV debate where Nixon was challenged about what ‘Experience’ meant on his campaign posters. A questioner related Pres Eisenhower’s inability to name a single Nixon idea that Ike’s administration had implemented.
Nixon launched into a (very reasonable, I thought) explanation of the difference between ‘advice’ and decision-making … saying it was the President’s job to actually make the decisions.
It’s worth watching, if you have time. (8 mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QazmVHAO0os
I don’t defend the inaction in Rwanda — even less the terrible Clinton-esque obfuscation by his State department’s refusal to call the massacre ‘genocide’ because splitting those particular hairs was some sort of diplomatic factor.
Neither do I want to slide anywhere near a bureaucratic ‘decisions above my pay scale’ excuse, and, like you, I am overtly willing to criticise (ahem) decision-makers past and present, local and international, but I guess Clinton had some of what passed for reasons …
Cheers P
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