Politics is all about responding to emergencies — and I don’t mean a container ship grounding itself on a reef.
From the NZ Herald’s John Armstrong today:
John Key insists there is nothing on the secret tape of his “cup of tea” conversation with John Banks to cause him the slightest bother. If so, why on earth won’t he agree to the release of a transcript so everyone can see whether their private tete-a-tete was as bland as the Prime Minister says it was.
Withholding permission may yet be Key’s biggest mistake in this election campaign. That and going to the police in order to shut down the whole affair.
Key can talk all he likes about fighting “News of the World tabloid tactics” before they take root. But he is in the midst of the white-hot heat of an election campaign. The pressure will only build on him and Banks to reveal exactly what was said. The politics have quickly moved beyond the question of media ethics with which the Prime Minister seems to be consumed. …
Yeah, it’s a tough situation for National’s John Key. As someone whose popular public image (‘show face‘ I called it) is the central — only? — plank of National’s election campaign, anything that erodes his popular, everyman, a-millionaire-but-a-regular-bloke image is bad for National.
Armstrong’s reference to ‘the white-hot heat of an election campaign’ is accurate. Time is critical. This is the big league. Impressions and perceptions are everything.
Mistakes — even small ones — can be mercilessly punished and seized upon by one’s opponents. Misjudgments and misstatements made under pressure can’t be rewound (if you’ll pardon the pun).
Opportunity knocks for Winston Peters
Look at the political oxygen the mere idea that Key and Banks may have referred in denigrating terms to elderly NZ First supporters has given Winston Peters:
Peters tells supporters teacup tapes contain insult to elderly 3News
“That’s what you’re gonna hear in these tapes, what some young turkey thinks of you and your sacrifice,” he told supporters today.
That Turkey is of course John Key.
Mr Peters claims the ‘teapot tape’ caught Prime Minister John Key showing disrespect to the older generation.
“When you find out what’s on in that tape, it is that some people think they are superior to you because you are going grey. Doesn’t show much gratitude does it?”
Mr Peters is talking about the generation who fought World Wars, and survived the Great Depression.
Many of whom are his core constituency – the New Zealand First voters.
3 News asked Mr Peters whether he thought the tape should be made public.
“I think older people should know – and before the election,” he said.
And Mr Peters had something to say about Mr Key’s attitude towards senior citizens.
“You know what the tape said? It said thanks for the state house and all the help on the way through, but I want to forget about you. That’s what it says.” — Patrick Gower
Oh, Peters does ‘outrage’ very, very well, and his naked appeal to the politics of generational resentment almost always resonates.
John Key can, I think, fairly be said to be looking slippery over this matter. God knows his mealymouthed, verbal ducking and diving performance after the ‘cup of tea’ with ACT’s leader-in-waiting John Banks was bad enough. Now Key really looks like he’s got something to hide, and that’s a hard impression to shake.
The National leader’s spin, that he’s standing up against News of the World-style media tactics ‘as a matter of principle’ … to keep us all safe … reminds me of the wonderfully cynical quote attributed to Groucho Marx:
‘Those are my principles. If you don’t like them I have others.’
Kinda fits. I predict the tape or a transcript being released is inevitable.
– P
Speaking of ‘wonderfully cynical’ … I enjoyed this tweet from David Slack, which someone I follow re-tweeted:
http://twitter.com/#!/DavidSlack/status/136509234849394689
Here’s leftie lawyer Scott Yorke on the issue of the ‘credibility damage’ John Key risks …
Partisan, but worth a read.
http://www.imperatorfish.com/2011/11/this-time-its-national-shooting-at-its.html?spref=tw
#1 Any action that gives Winston the opportunity for a soundbite is to be avoided.
#2 With the Press so obviously in attendance and people at nearby tables it was likely the conversation would be “overheard”. I’m astounded either of these men could be so naive.
Nice summary, Sarah.
(1) The trouble with the messy, slightly icky thing we call ‘democracy’ is that, minimum-age restriction aside, the system gives everyone a vote. And doggone it, if some people choose to cast theirs for someone we strongly believe to be a [fill-in-the-space] with bells on … well, gee, that’s just how it works. No matter how foolish we think their choice is, or may prove to be.
(2) Yeah, like, totally. Or arrogant?
– P
No problem letting just anyone vote (kinda), its the letting anyone be voted for that I was referring to.
Ooooh, Sarah. Is that the door to the Star Chamber? … 😉 – P
http://www.elections.org.nz/rules/electorate-candidates/electorate-candidate/ceo-nomination-of-candidates.html
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http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0087/latest/DLM308839.html#DLM308839
far too rational for my liking!
I agree Sarah,
However just because he media were in attendance. does not give them the right to eavesdrop they were ushered away after all.
For most normal people this means they wish to be alone.
What would of happened if one of the media had walked up to the table sat down beside them they would of been asked to leave.
Everyone who has off the record non formal conversations says things which can be construed as ‘not PC’ the reaction by opposition has been a bigger disgrace. Ok Phil Goof and Winston Peters lets record every conversation you have with everyone until election day and see how many Goofs they make.
Also the reaction by the Herald person responsible for leaving the recorder behind states it was an accident. If you do actually believe that why not just delete it. Or sure listen to it as most curious people would do but then take it no further. This person in my opinion accident or not should be held accountable.
Good points Craig, what leaves a sour taste is that the meeting was 100% contrived for the media so “ushering them away” was odd. If they genuinely wanted a private cup of tea they wouldn’t have publicised the date or the venue. This meeting was about manipulating voters and it was laughable that the media had to “educate” the public about why it was so important.
I’m not for recording their every conversation. Ridiculous. Just don’t beckon the media and then complain if things don’t quite go your way.
Yes, you’re onto it Sarah — totally contrived for the media, and centred on using the media to ‘send a signal’.
That’s exactly how I saw it, as part of the media ‘scrum’ the National Party spin doctors conjured up like the witches in Act I of Macbeth.
At the risk of being thought horribly, intransigently self-referencing, here’s what I said at the time:
http://www.thepaepae.com/wp-uploads/2011/11/RadioLIVE-cross-at-1500-cuppa.mp3
Agree Craig.
If it was an innocent accident then why has it not been deleted? Why has TV3 heard it also? The ethical thing would have been to delete one would assume. Do you think there is malicious intent behind them not deleting it?
They’re stuffed now, how can you delete and prove no copies exist?
The digital era makes all privacy issues so much more complicated. You can’t just hand over tape/film/negatives any more. Emails have to be scanned, online file repositories. Of course the offender would never be able to use it but someone else could…
What ever happened to economic policies and dealing with the issue of the economy?
Why are we wasting time on a storm in a teacup?
Is this election that boring the one sided media have forgotten the global financial crisis?
Move on people!!
I agree Whitt Move on but sadly when people (media, Bloggers) constantly rehash mindless issues they are going to get a reaction just like from yourself and myself. I can hear Peter sniggering.
John Keys walkoff today was silly and not typical of PM’s. However its not the first time and won’t be the last.
I kind of see why he did it there is bigger fish to fry, if the media constantly badger over something so minor. I would walk away as-well.
‘Mindless’ is a vacuous descriptor IMO.
Key’s walk off — after repeatedly regurgitating talking points asserting what “the public cares about” presumably carefully prepared by his ‘strategic communication consultants’ (is it still Crosby | Textor??) — looked pretty bad, I thought.
There’s a spin making the rounds that he’s now angling for public sympathy … pitching for the ‘I’m a victim of the wicked news media’… which makes the ‘Leave John Key alone’ project seem all the more pointed.
-P
I think mindless is perfect.
Here you go I know you like link fodder.
a : marked by a lack of mind or consciousness
b (1) : marked by or displaying no use of the powers of the intellect (2) : requiring little attention or thought; especially : not intellectually challenging or stimulating
No I agree the walk off looks bad, but Key made evidently clear by rehashing his answers he did not want to discuss. I thought Duncan came across as a bit desperate and looked a bit silly.
Even when Key said there is bigger issues here Duncans reaction kind of suggested he agreed, but then towed the public interest line.
I think the point is – we have a slippery duplicitous Prime Minister with an alarmingly similar modus operandi to Edmund Blackadder and the byelection in the rotten borough of “little wopping on the mold”. He and Zac Guildford have a lot in common – both have a free ticket out of jail – both are in positions of privilege that mean they dont have to live by the rules the peasants live by – and they are both horses asses who seem to escape consequences the rest of us would have to face if in the same position.
As Blackadder said of the opponent in the byelection who withdrew his candidacy, having “stabbed himself in the back while throwing himself off a bridge…”
The whole thing is actually more important than the GFC – simply because it exposes the inadequacy of such people to really fix whats wrong with this country. They couldnt lie straight in bed.
“Move on people!!” ?
http://twitter.com/#!/LIVENewsDesk/status/136570494928429060
And: http://www.3news.co.nz/Teapot-tape-Key-storms-out-of-media-conference/tabid/419/articleID/232920/Default.aspx
Video: http://www.3news.co.nz/Teapot-tape-Key-storms-out-of-media-conference/tabid/370/articleID/232920/Default.aspx
Pressure.
– P
Exactly my friend. Im not going to move on when i see mr Slippery-Eyes do that. I think it has everything to do with the economy.
Only thing he was lacking was a grey suit, white shoes, gold neck chain and a gold chain bracelet on his wrist. “ello john … go(t) a new mo(t) a”
The “Arfur Dailey” of Politics. And i wonder who is playing “Terry” the bodyguard running interference…
Guess Johnny is back at “va lockup…” ringing up geezers li(k)e “Fast Gerry” to ge(t) summat positive ou(t) of the situation…
Too late John – you just shat in your own nest – you are the Zac Guildford of Politics. All mouth and trousers and no balls. A whore for money and power.
Haaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa
[Your comment “A whore for money and power”
is a bit tough, and brusque for discussion here Ivan.
Keep it seemly, please, however strong your feelings. – P ]
It isnt too tough or brusque Pete – but its your platform for dialogue and i will observe the rules as they are revealed. No more whores, money or power.
Boring – but beige is the new black they say. Just ask Zac – about now every mother will want to press him to her bosom and stroke his locks saying there there zaccy – how dare those two men get in the way of your fists and how awful that that horrible triathlete looked so sexy and invited your attentions and provoked you to make sexual comments and leer at her. Awful – dont they all know its a “dinnamic” and very “fluid” (thats yr problem zaccy) environment??
I really enjoy seeing Key in the 3 News video – on his very own “joyce” channel he gets skewered like a shishkebab. It is delicious beyond belief.
Cheers, Ivan. Thanks, I appreciate you taking a steer on ‘tone’.
Yeah, that was a clanger for sure. I’m sure John Key and his advisors know all too well that a shadow of evasiveness is the Achilles heel of many a politician.
– P
Key reminds me of Fagan from “oliver” .. with a little bit of Uriah Heep thrown in “oooh oooim everrr sooo umble master copperfuuld…”
from Dickens classic. Much like when i uncovered my home and holiday spot barbecues after a winters sojourn and had to do genocide on suddenly scuttling resident cockroaches.
Key is scuttling for cover after living it up on the fat of past undeserved accolades. But the barbie cover is off mate – and the cleaners have arrived. Roll on summer.
Time to pay Johnny boy.
The Keyism was “Dinnamic…” even Petrified Bagust quoted it recently on highly paid state beneficiary high earners television (1). My favourite is “Trotie…”
I can picture he and Zac Guildford now – laughing together over a few beers – regaling each other with “maaate” and stories of how privilege and money are an insurance policy against personal responsibility.
Whores – power – money … the unlovables of dialogue.
Fagan in the musical is quoted thus … “yoooouve gotta pick a pocket or twooooo ….”
And hasnt he just ….
Are you deliberately trying to float an anti-Semitic boat? If so, it demeans you. -P
Simple answer pete … no – why – where are any antisemitic references or ‘boats’ … enlighten me …
is is the word genocide – or the allusion to cockroaches …. this is simply use of language and any assumption that this is floating an antisemitic boat is demeaning to you frankly mate – not me
[Thanks for clarifying. I was prompted to ask by your reference to Fagan and his song. If that wasn’t your intended meaning, no harm done. Sorry to hassle you, then. – P]
im not even aware whether the character of Fagan is jewish. I’ve worked with jews who are archetypal assholes true to the stereotype – and jews who are wonderful people.
Im not very PC – and im constantly amazed by how people think about such things. I got in trouble once with a group of ‘types’ by describing someone as a silly sod … they said i was calling them a sodomite and so on. I retorted saying a sod was a clod of dirt …
The character of Fagan is a thieving, duplicitous, charmer who presents a face that is not his true face – to quote the at times antisemitic bard Will Shakespeare (ref Merchant of Venice / Shylock) “false face hides what the false heart doth know. That was my comparison with Key. Not any reference to antisemitism.
Gosh you 2 get a room.
Just a side point just because someone has some wonderful reference from some academic or an analogy which seems to fit does not make you right. Even though that person feels like they have a point. normally it suggests BS blabber. Rant over.
Ivan if you feel Key is a Slippery Eyes duplicitous Prime Minister that’s fine. but if you suggest this recording incident seals the deal. Give me a break. every candidate if you recorded them off the record for a day (without them knowing). You would guaranteed get some gem, in which the media would do the same haggling over nothing.
Just watch what now starts to happen mate … its a deal sealer alright and it will be seen to be so very soon.
There has been a serious case of smugness and assumption about the voting public on Keys part that is about to bite him on the bum…
Mein Gott.
Politics in NZ before an election?
From afar, this all seems so depressing.
Vacuous trivialities. Debilitating details. Perhaps it was always thus?
The world is facing arguably the greatest economic threats since the 1930’s.
I don’t blame the media for concentrating on trivialities. It sells. “Celebrities” are the zeitgeist. I suppose even if Mr Key or Mr Goff respectively have a plan and policies to address the uncertain economic situation NZ is facing, many voters would be more interested in their choices of neck tie…
Serious choices are likely to be required after the next general election. Yet through the cacophony of white noise, are the voters understanding the seriousness of the situation?
Rgds,
*p*
Thanks for your comment poormastery, nice to hear from you.
It’s rare, in my experience, for voters to be primarily influenced by policy. Most elections are a beauty pageant. That’s just how it goes. Politics is all about personality.
‘Trust’ and a sense that someone is ‘competent’ — personal judgements usually reached with too-little-by-far in the way of solid evidence — are the measures.
Thus, the airbrushed photos and dress-for-success consultants and ‘message’ massagers and spin doctors will be always with us. Like the poor.
Governments lose office, rather than the alternative government-in-waiting winning it.
On our economic issues, Bill English, the sober Finance minister was quoted as describing NZ as a cork bobbing on the tide. We are, after all is said and done a ‘price taker’ economy. We’ll sell what we can, borrow while others will lend to us, and swallow the bitter pill of austerity when it’s pushed down our throats.
It seems to me these things are true whether we have a National-led government or a Labour-led one after 26 November.
Both parties have promulgated overt’policies’ directed towards their constituencies, and sent various ‘dog-whistle’ messages to their supporters (‘tough on benefit fraud’ vs ‘raise the minimum wage/lift GST on food’ etc.)
The roundabout rotates. For me the Winston Peters’ will-he-won’t-he comeback and the place of the expanded Mana movement are more intriguing matters in the campaign. And they can be said to be personality issues, too.
– P
Sad but true Poormastery, you are correct its very depressing and disappointing. People in this country are naive and pretty dim.
If they care more about a general chit chat than the recession about to hit us.
However by chance do you work for the Media?
Because I certainly blame the media for focusing on the trivialities, in this country the public only know about whats on at 6pm each night. Don’t mention trivialities as serious issues and people won’t care. Ever heard of the Tail wagging the Dog?
“It’s rare, in my experience for voters to be primarily influenced by policy”
Peter how do you know this too be true?
I think you are probably correct but you cannot know this for sure.
I dont think people here are naive and dim – i think they are welcoming, kiwi and very trusting – to their detriment.
I blame the media for following the line fed to them by pollies – but thats about all – they dont focus on the small stuff often at all – whereas in fact its the small stuff that points out the flaws in the edifice.
Pete is right about rarity of voters being influenced by policy … go to a local pub, cossie club or any chartered club such as an rsa – where real people meet. The socalled general “chit chat” you dismissively refer to – contains within it a truckload more truth than pontifications about the Economy that we have been dished out so far.
They may be naive – but they arent dim – many come from long lines of Kiwis who fought and died for the truth that used to be NZ.
None of that can be dismissed easily – if you do so – you do it at your peril.
See link to the Labour Party opening address …
it says it all so much better than many could …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN5DZC4MimQ&feature=player_embedded
My argument is – the trivialities in this case are hiding true intent that the public needs to know.
For the very first time i havent been left with the impression that media are behaving like key sycophants – and like easily led lambs to the slaughter.
The devil will most definitely be found in the detail.
The tea tapes are not white noise poomastery – they are seriously an issue that will strip the veneer off Keys campaign.
You know we differ about this:
That may be the impression you have had, and certainly I have tried to say it jus’ ain’t so.
As we have discussed, members of the news media may not be impartial, but in my view, they aren’t sycophants, to use your word, either.
Go and watch Duncan Garner on Firstline this morning. He’s never seen John Key lose it under pressure like this … and referred to the humiliation of Key’s Standard & Poors’ climbdown (Dunno, I wasn’t at the meeting’). http://www.thepaepae.com/hansard-can-be-a-real-bitch-eh-mr-key/19504/
Brittle is the word Goff used. It fits.
But the media can be seen as an excitable pack of hounds chasing a fox … for no other reason than that it is running.
Welcome to the other side of the coin, Prime Minister …
– P
Peter, to reply to your comments in turn:
“On our economic issues, Bill English, the sober Finance minister was quoted as describing NZ as a cork bobbing on the tide. We are, after all is said and done a ‘price taker’ economy. We’ll sell what we can, borrow while others will lend to us, and swallow the bitter pill of austerity when it’s pushed down our throats.”
This situation is exacerbated by persistent current account deficits, which imply a lack of domestic saving. This could be to some extent addressed by competent government policy eg. make saving for retirement compulsory.
NZ has been punished for greater than 30 years by Sir Robert Muldoon’s fateful (but popular) decision in 1975 to abandon the previous Labour governments pension policy, and replace it with the unfunded National Superannuation.
“Both parties have promulgated overt’policies’ directed towards their constituencies, and sent various ‘dog-whistle’ messages to their supporters (‘tough on benefit fraud’ vs ‘raise the minimum wage/lift GST on food’ etc.)”
The ideologues that tribally support one party or the other are curious to poormastery. Politics for them is like supporting a football club. This fanatical support (regardless of policy) doesn’t make sense with regards to politics, at least to me….
Sir Robert Muldoon was a National PM who instituted an economic policy hich was very similar to the Eastern Bloc communist countries (remember “carless days et al). The Labour government of Lange and Douglas 1984 – 1990 had an economic policy far to the right of anything Margaret Thatcher would have dared to introduce. In these cases, blindly supporting a party regardless of their policies is a bewildering choice…
Now, National is a status quo type government, in say the Holyoake mould. I would prefer reformers and decentralisers.
I personally don’t think Mr Goff is as far to the left as most New Zealanders tend to believe – a Labour government would run similar economic policies to National, I suspect.
“For me the Winston Peters’ will-he-won’t-he comeback and the place of the expanded Mana movement are more intriguing matters in the campaign.”
Well, yes, with MMP, this is huge.
I just hope that if Mr Peters does get the requisite 5% of the vote, he only manages to gain, at most, 5% of the influence.
Mr Peters seems to me to be a good guy. However, it is difficult not to come to the conclusion that his terms in power have been car crashes, characterised by self destructive vandalism of any government he has been involved with. I personally find his anti-immigrant rhetoric is borderline offensive, and certainly unhelpful.
As for the Mana Party, I have always sensed that Maori politics starts out fine but curiously later morphs into something resembling Eric Blair’s great parable Animal Farm. Steve O’Regan ended up extremely wealthy from land claims, but the average Maori voter didn’t seem to get the same returns. Much like extreme feminism, the concerns raised by the elite radicals are perhaps a far cry from the concerns of their more humble constituencies.
As an aside, I have heard from a good source that Ms Clark and Mr Cullen personally loathed each other. They couldn’t even sit in the same room together, they disliked each so much, I am told. Despite this, they were able to run a reasonably competent government for close to a decade. There is always hope that whoever is elected, they will put aside their differences and try to make it work.
Rgds,
*p*
ps. I visited Auschwitz / Birkenau this year. I cannot put into words what a disturbing place it is (for the record, I am not Jewish).
On this note, I find ivantheterrible’s anti-semitic remarks above(Fagan / Mr Key) to be extremely distasteful. I suspect that this isn’t the way to convince reasonable people to adopt your views…
Thanks for your comments poormastery. Interesting.
Is Winston Peters a ‘good guy’? Dunno. You’re right about the train wrecks, I think. And yeah, he strikes me as fixedly appealing to anti-migrant, redneck values (he’d say ‘Middle NZ’ I guess) … he’s a populist. It’s a formula.
He’ll be bloody lucky to get to 5% in my opinion … but I don’t make predictions.
As I’ve said here: http://www.thepaepae.com/national-and-its-proxies-panic-response-to-peters/20550/
the Nats and their attack snakes will throw everything at him to try to cut him down.
– P
And for the record poomastery – im Jewish – on my mothers side. So dont presume to throw any references to Auschwitz Birkenau into the mix before attacking me.
Next time mate read more carefully and take the broomstick out of your keester before you offer some self righteous pipesmoke upper middle class opinion. I clearly spelt out my position in very clear terms.
What anti-semitic remarks – i thought we cleared that up. I find your accusation both unfounded and distasteful.
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